Make your vote count!
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The lesser of two evils... is still evil.
Submitted By admin on 08/11/03
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From Aubrey - to my Friends, Fans, and Foes;

(Specifically those of you inhabiting the Unites States of America)


With the presidential elections near at hand, I would like to take this opportunity to share my thoughts with you on the important civic duty of voting. I want to encourage you to vote for principle, and not to waste your vote on a candidate that would horrify our founding fathers.

Yes, game theory is important. In certain cases, I agree that it could make sense to cast a vote for someone that isn't your first choice to help prevent someone that would be your last choice from becoming the president. But in my opinion, arguments like the above have no place in discussions regarding this election.

As far as anyone can tell, Obama may not be a natural born citizen of the USA, and would therefore be constitutionally ineligible to hold the office of president. Both Obama and McCain have contemptible positions on the sanctity of human life. Neither Obama nor McCain have any respect for the 2nd amendment - or the rest of the constitution, for that matter. Listen to them debate - they have few things to offer besides socialism and meaningless, empty mantras of "change" and "straight talk".


As many of you know, I have long supported Ron Paul - and although he has switched gears to the Campaign for Liberty, Chuck Baldwin is now carrying Paul's banner.

I honestly don't expect to see a "third party" candidate win the election - but by voting for someone you can truly support, you can at least have a clear conscience that you weren't a party to one small step in the gradual demise of our once-great republic.


Below is a short video I produced nearly a year ago.
Before you cast your vote this year, please take a minute to consider the implications of the course you are taking.





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Hey Aubrey, micah here, i like what you
4 hours - 316v
Posted 2008/11/03 - 14:05 GMT

Hey Aubrey, micah here,

i like what you have to say! It's good to see you using the influence you have for a good cause. Both major candidates are a complete joke in my opinion. If only Ron Paul could have made it!


Very Convincing Video!
4 days - 10,400v
Posted 2008/11/03 - 14:59 GMT

Dear Aubrey,

Your video in support of Ron Paul was very persuasive. If Ron Paul was still running, I just might vote for him!



PS: According to the US Constitution, Obama is eligible, as he was born in the US (Hawaii), is over 35 years old (47), and has lived in the US for over 14 years. 

Great article Aubrey. You know who I'm
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 2:34 GMT

Great article Aubrey.

You know who I'm voting for:-)

You are very persuasive Aubrey...
2 days - 3,542v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 3:39 GMT

You are very persuasive Aubrey...

And, obviously, the lesser of two evils is still evil, and in a non-battleground state voting for the republican party isn't as important as NC for example, because in Idaho McCain will no doubt get the electoral vote. 

But in battleground states voting for the third party who most people haven't even heard about is basically just the same as throwing your vote away, or even giving one to the democrat by not voting for the republican, because the independent and the republican split the votes and therefore the democratic candidate gets the majority of the votes and is elected. I voted for McCain and my conscience is clear.

I really respect what you're saying though, and am surprised at myself even opposing a greater mind like yourself, since you could smoke me in a debate about anything and everything, I'm sure.

Just felt like voicing my opinion. :)

Thank you for sharing that, Aubrey. I respect y
5 days - 9,041v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 4:24 GMT

Thank you for sharing that, Aubrey. I respect your opinion a lot.

I strongly believe in voting for the lesser of the two evils. Obviously, either John McCain or Barack Obama is going to be the next president of the United States. So to me, it's a simple choice: Which would I rather have leading the country?

John McCain, who has a pro-life voting record, supports the rights of responsible citizens to keep and bear arms, and has a history of military service to his country


Barack Obama, who, in April 2008, was undecided about whether life begins at conception, supports Roe v. Wade and partial-birth abortions, proposes banning guns in cities, won't wear an American flag pin on his chest, won't put his hand on his heart to say the pledge of alliegance, and who displays, on his Texas campaign headquarters office wall, a flag bearing the face of communist killing machine, Che Guevara.

To me, the answer is clear, and (if I were old enough!) I would vote with a clear conscience for John McCain.




2 weeks - 19,287v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 18:41 GMT

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I enjoy the opportunity of having my views challenged and challenging others, because it gives everyone an opportunity to consider - and possibly reconsider - what they really believe.


Frankly, the choice isn't that simple for me.

Yes - Obama will make a terrible president. But if you were to analyze McCain any deeper than the superficial gloss that (supposedly conservative) organizations - who should know better - have been profusely applying to him of late, I am convinced that you would find a very different person than the champion of American ideals that you are describing.


  • McCain's record isn't nearly as pro life as many people are led to believe. A thorough article by Vision Forum Ministries regarding McCain's position on abortion - which outlined numerous pro death stances that McCain has taken - concluded by summarizing: "Those who cherish human life should not trust Sen. John McCain to represent them on this issue".
  • Though McCain is now trying to pretend that he is is a friend of the 2nd amendment, his record tells a very different story. An article by Chuck Baldwin (which I also linked from my original document) titled "John McCain is a liberal gun grabber" outlines many of McCain's deplorable anti gun stances.
  • Yes, McCain has a history of military service to his country. But is this really one of the top three reasons he would make a good president?


To compliment the issues addressed in this discussion, I would also like to recommend that you read "A Reasonable Concern Raised by a Vision Forum Reader about Our Coverage of the 2008 Candidate Issues".


My position could best be summarized in this simple argument:

A vote for McCain is a vote for a candidate that doesn't meet even the most basic biblical qualifications, who is against nearly every principle that America was founded upon, and who is running against a biblically qualified, constitution respecting candidate. I don't know how I could vote for McCain with a clear conscience.


As Chuck Baldwin recently said, "a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils".


And in all honesty, the prospect of a trojan horse like McCain becoming president is even more bleak to me than that of Obama being elected. At least people will have their guard up when Obama continues shredding the constitution.



I will definitely check out those links. I know
5 days - 9,041v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 20:45 GMT

I will definitely check out those links. I know that a lot of what we are fed is not the truth, and that's frustrating. I'm glad to find sources that I can trust.

I must say though, that I disagree with your last paragraph. Mostly because of something that a lady in our Bible study last night mentioned. She was born and lived for years in a communist South American country, so she knows what the signs are. Frankly, I think too many Americans are just too blind to recognize how dangerously close to a Marxist Obama is. 

At least we know McCain will not lead us toward communism.

Although I agree with everything else you've sa
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 21:57 GMT

Although I agree with everything else you've said Aubrey, I must concur with Abbie's view on your last paragraph. 



why vote when its not a real Democrosy.
9 hours - 867v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 19:12 GMT

why vote when its not a real Democrosy.

reason number 1: you cant vote on no confidence.

reason number 2: you can only vote if your 18 or over.

reason number 3: the whole comunity cant vote on alll the bill's.

2 weeks - 19,287v
Posted 2008/11/04 - 21:36 GMT

"not a real Democrosy?"

America isn't a democracy at all.


"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands..."


The difference between a democracy and a republic is simple:

  1. A democracy is governed by the will of the mob
  2. A republic is governed by written laws


"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." - James Madison

Re: Make your vote count!
4 days - 12,819v
Posted 2011/08/13 - 1:31 GMT
If I could, I would vote for Obama. 
I'm a green party, and if no green parties, or democrats, in my opinion, run during an election, then I'm not voting.

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